TED演讲:我那曝光政府腐败的战斗(9)
So I've mentioned WikiLeaks, because surely what could be more open than publishing all the material?
我刚提到了维基解密，因为，还有比它更加公开的么？
Because that is what Julian Assange did.
因为朱利安阿桑奇就这么做了。
He wasn't content with the way the newspapers published it to be safe and legal.
他并不满意于新闻安全、合法地发布信息的方式。
He threw it all out there. That did end up with vulnerable people in Afghanistan being exposed.
他把所有的东西都倒出来了。那的确是让一些易受攻击的阿富汗人被揭发出来。
It also meant that the Belarussian dictator
那也表示白俄罗斯独裁者
was given a handy list of all the pro-democracy campaigners in that country who had spoken to the U.S. government.
也面对了一批与美国政府进行过交谈的支持民主进行过交谈的民主人士。
Is that radical openness? I say it's not, because for me, what it means,
这是激进派的开放么？我觉得不是，
it doesn't mean abdicating power, responsibility, accountability, it's actually being a partner with power.
这不是放弃权利、责任，这只是在和权利同一地位的另一种力量。
It's about sharing responsibility, sharing accountability.
这是分享责任，分享义务。
Also, the fact that he threatened to sue me because I got a leak of his leaks,
当他因为我从维基解密得到了很多泄密而威胁要告我，
I thought that showed a remarkable sort of inconsistency in ideology, to be honest, as well.
我觉得那中间产生了巨大的意识主义上的矛盾。
The other thing is that power is incredibly seductive, and you must have two real qualities, I think,
另外，权利真的很诱惑人，你需要有两种特质，
when you come to the table, when you're dealing with power, talking about power, because of its seductive capacity.
在你坐上谈判桌，当你拥有权利时。
You've got to have skepticism and humility.
一，怀疑的态度；二，谦卑的心态。
Skepticism, because you must always be challenging.
怀疑是因为你一直会被挑战。
I want to see why do you — you just say so? That's not good enough.
如果你只是说了要这样，我觉得还不够。
I want to see the evidence behind why that's so.
我想知道为什么这样，这样的依据是什么？
And humility because we are all human. We all make mistakes.
谦卑是因为我们都是人都会犯错。
And if you don't have skepticism and humility, then it's a really short journey to go from reformer to autocrat,
如果你不懂得怀疑和谦卑。那你从改革者变为独裁者就是一眨眼的事。
and I think you only have to read "Animal Farm" to get that message about how power corrupts people.
你只需要看看《动物庄园》就会知道权利是怎样宠坏人们的。
记者希瑟·布鲁克说，我们的领导人应当是可靠的。布鲁克揭露了英国国会财政支出，从而引发了2009年一起重要的政治丑闻。她强烈要求我们通过诸如信息寻求自由之类的平台来向领导人发问，并且最终得到答案。
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